Saturday, July 23, 2005

Excusing Terrorists

I grow tired of hearing how we "deserved" the September 11th attacks--which, incidentally, happened before the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq!--and how the British "deserved" the London bombings and how the corrupt Egyptian government "deserved" to have tourists blown up at Sharm-el-Sheikh and how....

Lefties, pay close attention now. I'm going to try to explain how stupid it is for you to try to blame anyone but the terrorists for these actions. And to do this I'll quote from this Debra Saunders article:

Imagine, as I've written before, if anti-abortion terrorists began killing innocent civilians and said they would stop only if the government outlaws abortion. (After all, if terrorism wins for Islamic extremists, why shouldn't U.S. extremists adopt it?) The Left would not fault pro-abortion policies. The Left would not blame the government for legalizing abortion. The Left -- correctly -- would denounce the terrorists, the violence and any attempt to extort policy by threatening innocent lives.

Does that make it any more clear to you?

Well, at least I tried.


Anonymous said...

"Imagine, as I've written before, if anti-abortion terrorists began killing innocent civilians and said they would stop only if the government outlaws abortion."

I don't have to imagine it. It has already happened.

I'm surprised Bush hasn't used it as an excuse to invade Canada.

Darren said...

Don't be surprised, Mother. We on the right recognize that those people are on the fringe, that they're trying to make the ends (no abortion) justify the means (terrorist acts of blowing up buildings and killing people). What mainstream conservative supports these people?

The right doesn't tolerate murder, even for a cause in which it believes. The left will agree with and promote *anyone* who disagrees with President Bush and/or Republicans, even if those people are blowing up buildings and trains and buses.

As for "It has already happened", get a grip. We've not seen a sustained campaign of abortion clinic bombings.

Darren said...

Like I said, at least I tried.

Darren said...

It's amazing what perspective does. See, I'm the one who thinks that *I* use logic and facts and debate and it is *you* who goes looney. Oh well.

I'm curious about the coffee business. I know I invited you for coffee, but who tried to ban you from a site? Can't be me--I don't do that, although I have been known to delete comments (less than half a dozen in over 300 blog posts) that far exceed the bounds of civility.

Practicing your 1st Amendment right to free speech doesn't make you patriotic. In fact, I dare say that the 1st Amendment was created in part to protect unpatriotic speech. Oh, and the 1st Amendment applies only to government--I'm free to manage this site as I see fit, and I grant much leeway to your disagreements but clearly draw the line at incivility. If I did not have this we would have anarchy here. I thought you libs liked "government" control over everything! *I* am the government here.

"I do believe, however, that most conservatives, while wanting the best for our country, do not want a democratic or equal society and most are ignorant of most facts." What an elitist statement. We disagree with you so we *must* be ignorant. Amazing. Daddy knows best, that's the lefty mantra.

And please don't talk to me about rage. I defy you to find where I so much as seem heated, much less in a rage. You, on the other hand, wrote how much in your last comment, which includes simulated yelling? Again, amazing.

Stay in school, Pete. It suits you well.

Now, how about that coffee before I take off for Canuckistan?

Darren said...

Oh, and please don't try to convince me about your love for the American fighting man and woman. These people, especially the ones in the Mid East, are reenlisting at amazing rates. They believe in their mission. Interesting that you don't. I think they have a better perspective on what's going on over there than you do, actually.

Here's a fun exercise. Google this sentence: "I support the troops but not the war." See how much you can learn from what shows up. Just the first 10 results will do.

Anonymous said...

It's also very annoying when posters post very long comments that have no paragraphs.

Separate your thoughts into paragraphs or they read like a jumbled mess.

Anonymous said...

Reenlisting at amazing rates? Are you nuts? Every returned troop I've spoken to hates Bush, and thinks we're doing no good there at all. Support for the war is well below forty-five percent among US citizens, and may soon reach the high thirties. When, pray, will you wake up?

Oh, and please don't try to convince me of your love for the American fighting man and woman. Like most other conservatives who support the war, you clothe yourself in an empty patriotism that makes you feel good about yourself, while pompously denouncing those with whom you disagree as somehow being "leftist" or "bad Americans," all the while giving lip service to free thought and intelligent debate. If you were a good American, you would understand that denouncing the war in Iraq is the act of a patriot. Progressive Pete is a patriot; you're not.

Darren said...

Being a West Point graduate and being on an emaillist of fellow graduates, and having friends who have served and are currently serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, I stand by my statements. Additionally, while recruiting is suffering here at home, reenlistment rates, especially for those soldiers in the Mideast, *are* above normal.

They support their mission, want to see it through to the end, and adore their commander-in-chief. If you disagree, then we have very different views.

I consider myself a patriot. And I don't need you to tell me what a "good American" would do. I don't see denouncing your country, its president, and its fight against terrorism and tyranny as the sign of a patriot, except perhaps in Mirror Universe Land.