Thursday, April 03, 2014

Voter Fraud

Liberals like to prevent attempts at stopping or even finding out about voter fraud, and then question the motives of conservatives who want to require ID for voting to ensure there's no voter fraud.  They always say, There is no voter fraud!  No?
State elections officials in North Carolina are investigating hundreds of cases of potential voter fraud after identifying thousands of registered voters with personal information matching those of voters who voted in other states in 2012... reported that 81 residents who died before election day were recorded as casting a ballot. While about 30 of those voters appear to have legally cast ballots before election day, Strach said "there are between 40 and 50 [voters] who had died at a time that that's not possible."
I agree with Nelson Mandela--get an ID, and vote!

How bad is it out there?
The North Carolina State Board of Elections has found thousands of instances of voter fraud in the state, thanks to a 28-state crosscheck of voter rolls. Initial findings suggest widespread election fraud.

765 voters with an exact match of first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in N.C. and the other state in the 2012 general election.
35,750 voters with the same first and last name and DOB were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in both states in the 2012 general election.
155,692 voters with the same first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state – and the latest date of registration or voter activity did not take place within N.C...

The Interstate Crosscheck examines 101 million voter records in more than two dozen participating states.

The findings, while large, leave open the question of just how widespread double voting might be since 22 states did not participate in the Interstate Crosscheck.
I don't know who these people voted for.  Doesn't matter to me if they voted for my guy or the other guy, it's voter fraud and I want it prevented.

So I'm calling you out, liberals.  Do you think this is a problem, or not?  Do you have a better way of preventing it than showing ID, or not?  What is your solution?


momof4 said...

About 20 years ago, during a very tight MD race for US Senate, it was discovered that voter rolls in Baltimore (city? county?) had been purged (dead, felons, moved away etc) in precincts which typically voted Republican but not in typical Democratic precincts. Since the jurisdiction was (and still is) controlled by the Democrats, nothing was done to correct that. IIRC that the statewide election was decided by something like 110 votes. I also know of instances of voter fraud perpetrated on my DH husband's family, in a Democraticat-controlled city - over 40 years ago - I'm betting that nothing has changed. Mom and Dad may still be voting, deaths notwithstanding.

maxutils said...

I'm on your side. But, this is absolutely not the way to enact laws to prevent election fraud. The democrats love to go with the 'There's no real evidence of voter fraud the republicans just don;t want black people to vote card'... and it works! And then, Republicans search out isolated cases of voter fraud trying to justify the fact that they aren't racist -- they just want o maintain integrity, and see? Here's a case where there was fraud. Now what do you say?

Please. Like Republicans haven't engaged in voter fraud. No one is innocent here.

The way you address the issue is this: "There may or may not be voter fraud occurring in either of the major parties, or ...for who knows what reason, a third path. We don't presume there is, but we want to reduce the possibility. Therefore, when you vote, you present an ID; if that's a difficulty for you, we'll help you." Done. When you argue there is voter fraud, you fall right in to the racist trap.

Darren said...


You pretend to think that the Democrats actually want to maintain election integrity.

I agree with Nelson Mandela. Register, get an ID, and vote.

Here's a little more:

maxutils said...

Darren... At which point did I say Dems anted to maintain election integrity? Nowhere. The first freaking thing I said was I agree with you. I'm arguing practicality, and getting it done. I think pulling isolated incidents out and highlighting them doesn't serve the greater purpose. We don't have to cite rampant teenage drinking to justify showing an ID to buy alcohol, do we? Let's take the same approach. "Maybe their isn't voter fraud. But wouldn't it be cool to know that it would be harder to do?" When you pick the fight, there's controversy, and you tend not to win. If you take the neutral case, what can the Dems do? Nothing. The only argument against is ..."Well if we agreed, it would be harder to commit voter fraud." That is not a winning argument. What has been, so far is that every time Republicans find an example, the Dems argue that it's isolated, a witch hunt, and racist. I certainly don't agree ... but it's working for them.

momof4 said...

Large-scale voter fraud is primarily a creature of the cities, because that's where the big votes are, and guess who's been controlling the cities since the 50s (at least)? I remember watching the 1960 election returns and the comment that "every graveyard in Chicago voted (for Kennedy)" was mentioned. Chicago's Cook County was always last (in IL) to send in its numbers - which just happened to be enough to make sure the Democrat won. It was the same in other states. In small towns and rural areas, there just aren't that many votes and people are likely to know who's R and who's D and the votes need to reflect that.

Jerry Doctor said...


In a rational world your argument would work. On the other hand, in a rational world there wouldn't be an argument. Your approach would still be attacked as a racist attempt to keep minorities from voting plus it would give added credence to the argument that it isn't necessary because "there isn't any voter fraud."

I've got to go with Daarren on this one. Voter fraud is not a problem for those that want voter fraud.

maxutils said...

Jerry Doctor ... I'm sticking to my rational world. Often, I feel like Don Quixote tilting at windmills ... but if the poor can get to have Ids to qualify for government benefits, they can also get them to vote. I just think that trying to prove that fraud exists isn't the way to go. Do you remember the footage of the exit poll in Chicago where a woman admitted, on camera, that she had voted for Obama 4 times? On camera. Not prosecuted. I just think it should be the standard. If you can't get an ID, we buy it for you. But you need to show it,fraud or not. I have never done this? But in CA, literally the only thing you need to do to vote as many times as you want, is to be mobile, persistent, and able to read upside down.