Saturday, September 10, 2016

What Is Social Justice?


I have my own view of what social justice is, and it's much closer to the Constitution than it is to what our friends on the left think it is.

12 comments:

Pseudotsuga said...

“When I use the term Social Justice,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—-neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that's all.”
Humpty Dumpty is quite right -- Social Justice is all about white knighting to empower the "powerless" in order to gain power via virtue signaling.

Darren said...

Very well done!

mmazenko said...

Equal protection and opportunity under the law.

Darren said...

I would agree with that, mmazenko--but for *individuals*, not *groups*. The distinction is huge, and is a large part of what divides Left and Right in this country.

Opportunity, not outcome.

mmazenko said...

Granted. But when data shows disproportionate action and inaction based on groups - racial for example - then the response and action must be implemented with those group biases in mind.

Darren said...

If one "group" commits a disproportionate number of crimes, is the "group" wrong? Is society wrong? Is the law wrong?

You know where I'm going with this, I just want to hear your answer.

mmazenko said...

Well, if you're conclusion is that one group (ie. one race) is naturally more criminal than another and society can make assumptions about a group based on that stereotype, then I guess I understand the need for race-based social justice.

Because that thinking is the textbook definition of racism.

But I think you already know that.

Darren said...

Which is clearly why that's not what I was saying at all.

But I think you already know that.

mmazenko said...

Thus, what's your conclusion?

When social ills seem disproportionately aligned with a group or demographic, who's "wrong"?

And, more importantly, how do we achieve equity and justice?

Darren said...

American blacks commit a relatively large proportion of crimes in this country, certainly out of proportion to their numbers.

Are the laws somehow racist, even in places that have been run by the Party of Tolerance and Diversity for decades?

Are menthol cigarettes *truly* racist?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/health/menthol-cigarettes-fda.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fhealth&action=click&contentCollection=health&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=1

mmazenko said...

Yes, valid questions.

What are the answers?

Darren said...

The criminal justice system is not out to get American blacks.

Absent evidence of malice, the authors of the laws (and the laws themselves) are not racist, even if there's disproportional impact. The disproportion comes from the breaking of the laws.

Menthol cigarettes are not racist.