tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post8442465174150962043..comments2024-03-13T21:26:03.011-07:00Comments on Right on the Left Coast: Views From a Conservative Teacher: More Studies. What Will Be Done For California Education?Darrenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15730642770935985796noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-21348788149456607212007-03-16T18:03:00.000-07:002007-03-16T18:03:00.000-07:00To the anonymous poster who started with "Carson i...To the anonymous poster who started with "Carson is right"--bet you don't hear that one very often, do you Carson!--I agree with much of what you said but vociferously disagree with your last statement. It ranks right up there with "If you're not breaking the law, you have nothing to be afraid of" whenever the law starts to intrude upon our freedoms.<BR/><BR/>You many not need due process if you're a good teacher <B>and</B> you have a good administrator, but barring that two-fer, I can't buy it.Darrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15730642770935985796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-81156544066115366612007-03-16T17:59:00.000-07:002007-03-16T17:59:00.000-07:00Mike, you're absolutely correct.I'll agree with th...Mike, you're absolutely correct.<BR/><BR/>I'll agree with those who say that teachers have <I>too</I> many protections, that it's <I>too</I> difficult to fire even those teachers we all know don't belong in the profession. What we currently have is what I call "undue process"--too much process. The fix to that, though, isn't no due process at all.Darrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15730642770935985796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-23950490997975014572007-03-16T14:55:00.000-07:002007-03-16T14:55:00.000-07:00Dear Darren:As a former police officer with more t...Dear Darren:<BR/><BR/>As a former police officer with more than 16 years experience, I know you make a telling point. In police work, whenever one assumes a new position as a detective, supervisor, etc., they serve a new one year probation for that position. If these probationary periods were five years, I would have literally never been anything but a probationary employee during my time under arms.<BR/><BR/>Anyone asking for a five year probation for teachers is simply trying to legislate away, dishonestly, even the most minimal due process protection for teachers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-14797723769071824572007-03-16T10:41:00.000-07:002007-03-16T10:41:00.000-07:00"To find the bad teachers just ask the student pop..."To find the bad teachers just ask the student population."<BR/><BR/>I don't know about that. I can remember being very fond of teachers who strayed from their subjects and talked to us About Life. Wow. Looking back, I realize that I'd been better off if he stuck to their subjects, which happened to be math.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-7290330695456883792007-03-16T08:24:00.000-07:002007-03-16T08:24:00.000-07:00CARSON is right...ask the kids who is or who isn't...CARSON is right...ask the kids who is or who isn't a 'bad' teacher.<BR/><BR/>Bad teachers don't know the subject matter well enough to answer questions from the students without going off on the student and writing him/her up for defiance and disrespect.<BR/><BR/>Bad teachers never leave their desks, they lecture from the front of the room.<BR/><BR/>Bad Teachers do not use strategies that are research based.<BR/><BR/>Bad teachers do not care if a student gets it or not.<BR/><BR/>Bad teachers almost always blame parents for student failure (even if the parent is obviously illiterate).<BR/><BR/>Bad teachers have no classroom management. They are also considered to be boring.<BR/><BR/>Bad teachers do not understand the culture of public schools, and usually enroll their own children in private schools because they believe that public schools are not good enough for their own children.<BR/><BR/>Ask the kids who the bad teachers are, and who the teachers are that they learn best from.<BR/><BR/>Obviously bad teachers are those that send you a middle school student from the 5th grade, and the student is so far below basic that you wonder how the student was passed along through elementary school. This is not just a function of high mobility, but this also happens when a student has been at one school since kindergarten.<BR/><BR/>Bad teachers never 'reach' their students and they blame the students for being too stupid.<BR/><BR/>Everyone can remember at least one bad teacher in their past. Even 'bad' teachers can remember a bad teacher.<BR/><BR/>Five years to tenure?<BR/><BR/>There is no need for tenure if you're not a 'bad' teacher.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-27549983750790090222007-03-15T17:55:00.000-07:002007-03-15T17:55:00.000-07:00The probationary period for a Highway Patrolman is...The probationary period for a Highway Patrolman is only one year--and we give them firearms.Darrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15730642770935985796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-4345890059082693942007-03-15T17:49:00.000-07:002007-03-15T17:49:00.000-07:00Five year probationary periods for teachers? If a...Five year probationary periods for teachers? If a principal can't determine within two years whether a teacher is incompetent, can we reasonably imagine that three more years will help? It would seem that in such cases, the incompetence is on the other foot, to mix metaphors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-89610845180015619062007-03-15T17:02:00.000-07:002007-03-15T17:02:00.000-07:00To find the bad teachers just ask the student popu...To find the bad teachers just ask the student population. I understand the problem that some kids dislike their teachers and would like nothing more than to see them without jobs, but I also think that a majority of students would be generaly unbiased. Now I know that this already happens to an extent. Mr. H pulled me aside and asked me to give my opinion on a certain teacher. (Not You) If schools asked more questions of the student body maybe they would get more answers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com