tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post112969504186297230..comments2024-03-13T21:26:03.011-07:00Comments on Right on the Left Coast: Views From a Conservative Teacher: California State Constitution, God, and Other State Constitutions--and GodDarrenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15730642770935985796noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-1133242688449544472005-11-28T21:38:00.000-08:002005-11-28T21:38:00.000-08:00You warp the meaning of Christ's words.His words t...You warp the meaning of Christ's words.<BR/><BR/>His words told us how we should live our lives as individuals; I don't know that he ever told us how to govern ourselves as a people.<BR/><BR/>Even still, I don't see how paying taxes, which is the basis of your first quote, refers at all to "warn[ing] about such things". And the fact that His kingdom not being of this world says *nothing* about *our* recognition of His guidance and blessings in our constitutions.<BR/><BR/>You have to do a lot better than merely tossing out a couple Biblical quotes and stating that they prove some amorphous point of yours.Darrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15730642770935985796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-1133242211727707142005-11-28T21:30:00.000-08:002005-11-28T21:30:00.000-08:00Didn't Christ say, "Give unto Ceaser what is Cease...Didn't Christ say, "Give unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's and give unto God what is God's." ? Did he not say, "My Kingdom is not of this world."? Did he not warn about the system of things? Don't you read the Scripture's?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-1129958349160716032005-10-21T22:19:00.000-07:002005-10-21T22:19:00.000-07:00The cross was on top of a Spanish mission, which w...The cross was on top of a Spanish mission, which was one of a few symbols on the LA city seal. Someone complained recently, the mission (and its cross) were removed.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps we should rename some of our cities, too, to purge us of this Christian horror. We'll start with our oldest, St. Augustine, FL, and move across to Corpus Christi (body of Christ), TX, and over to California, where we'll have to rename San Diego, Los Angeles, Santa Barbara, San Jose, San Francisco, San Lorenzo, San Leandro, San Rafael, Santa Cruz, etc.Darrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15730642770935985796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-1129928843372320892005-10-21T14:07:00.000-07:002005-10-21T14:07:00.000-07:00But why should we have a cross on a city seal? On...But why should we have a cross on a city seal? One can make a fledgling argument that the 'God' being referred to can stand for any number of divine powers that people may believe in. That many people automatically take it for the Christian God is merely because of the ubiquity of said belief in America. If we were to put a cross on a governmental entity (such as a city), we would be limiting the number of interpretations of the word 'god.' <BR/><BR/>I don't have a problem with the idea of religion in government per se. I mean, everybody's got to have some sort of belief, right, even it means no belief at all? But I guess I have a fear of its misuse if placed in the wrong hands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-1129871928976348942005-10-20T22:18:00.000-07:002005-10-20T22:18:00.000-07:00I'm sorry, Suzi. I doubt you could be more correc...I'm sorry, Suzi. I doubt you could be more correct. Unfortunately.Darrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15730642770935985796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-1129839390646164472005-10-20T13:16:00.000-07:002005-10-20T13:16:00.000-07:00Fair enough. But... wouldn't you agree that the g...Fair enough. <BR/><BR/>But... wouldn't you agree that the government should NOT be in the religion business?<BR/><BR/>Can I get that much out of you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-1129756718918401332005-10-19T14:18:00.000-07:002005-10-19T14:18:00.000-07:00I'm not going to get into a case-by-case, is-this-...I'm not going to get into a case-by-case, is-this-right-or-wrong debate here. The point of *THIS* post was to show that God is specifically mentioned in all 50 state constitutions, at least according to the email I got (and I confirmed California's). <BR/><BR/>If you want to support the ACLU, have at it. I do not, although every once in awhile they get something right.Darrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15730642770935985796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-1129755711254675392005-10-19T14:01:00.000-07:002005-10-19T14:01:00.000-07:00I forgot....Do you feel that abortion should be cr...I forgot....<BR/><BR/><BR/>Do you feel that abortion should be criminalized (women and doctors)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-1129755602737118962005-10-19T14:00:00.000-07:002005-10-19T14:00:00.000-07:00I am only repeating the ACLU's policy.Getting back...I am only repeating the ACLU's policy.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Getting back to the original topic:<BR/><BR/>Wouldn't you agree that the government should not be in the religion business?<BR/><BR/>For example: Do you feel that the government should not have "Christian" and "Non-Christian" prisons (like what is currently happening in Florida)?<BR/><BR/>Also: Do you feel that blasphemy and idolatry should NOT be criminalized?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-1129754162467769292005-10-19T13:36:00.000-07:002005-10-19T13:36:00.000-07:00The 6th Circuit? Come now.We'll just disagree tha...The 6th Circuit? Come now.<BR/><BR/>We'll just disagree that the 2nd Amendment allows only militias to have weaponry. There's much dispute about the interpretation of the US v. Miller ruling.Darrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15730642770935985796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-1129749454989218772005-10-19T12:17:00.000-07:002005-10-19T12:17:00.000-07:00No, it is not."Except for lawful police and milita...No, it is not.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"Except for lawful police and military purposes, the possession of weapons by individuals is not constitutionally protected."<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.aclu.org/PolicePractices/PolicePractices.cfm?ID=9621&c=25<BR/><BR/>ACLU POLICY <BR/>"The ACLU agrees with the Supreme Court's long-standing interpretation of the Second Amendment [as set forth in the 1939 case, U.S. v. Miller] that the individual's right to bear arms applies only to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia. Except for lawful police and military purposes, the possession of weapons by individuals is not constitutionally protected. Therefore, there is no constitutional impediment to the regulation of firearms." --Policy #47 <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free<BR/>State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." <BR/>--The Second Amendment to the Constitution <BR/><BR/>"Since the Second Amendment. . . applies only to the right of the State to maintain a militia and not to the individual's right to bear arms, there<BR/>can be no serious claim to any express constitutional right to possess a firearm." <BR/>U.S. v. Warin (6th Circuit, 1976)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-1129747749639062272005-10-19T11:49:00.000-07:002005-10-19T11:49:00.000-07:00The 2nd Amendment is in the Bill of Rights, right ...The 2nd Amendment is in the Bill of Rights, right there next to the 1st Amendment. Sounds like a job for the ACLU to me...but apparently not.Darrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15730642770935985796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-1129744871599652042005-10-19T11:01:00.000-07:002005-10-19T11:01:00.000-07:00Isn't that the mission of the NRA?Isn't that the mission of the NRA?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-1129741161603592062005-10-19T09:59:00.000-07:002005-10-19T09:59:00.000-07:00You're mistaken. *I* didn't mischaracterize the A...You're mistaken. *I* didn't mischaracterize the ACLU's stance--that was part of the quote from the email I got. I merely repeated it.<BR/><BR/>Not surprising you can't tell where my quoting ends and begins.<BR/><BR/>Also, I don't see that recognizing one nation "under God" is all that different from having a constitution that recognizes "almighty God". Let's remember that as a teacher I'm sworn to uphold both the US and the California constitutions.<BR/><BR/>How's the ACLU doing on supporting the 2nd Amendment lately?Darrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15730642770935985796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-1129727117049919452005-10-19T06:05:00.000-07:002005-10-19T06:05:00.000-07:00"I wonder how many of this blue state's libs are a..."I wonder how many of this blue state's libs are aware that our own state constitution specifically recognizes God."<BR/><BR/>There is a substantial difference between recognizing the existence of God and asking children to pledge allegiance to America while invoking God. The "under God" wording was added to the pledge during the Cold War, when our country was trying to invoke religion to rally our nation against the godless communists. The time has come to remove it.<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, you are mischaracterizing the ACLU's stance. Not surprising.<BR/><BR/>For every instance that the ACLU has acted to prevent the government from establishing religion, the ACLU has rallied in defense of religious liberty. <BR/><BR/>December 22, 2004: ACLU of New Jersey successfully defends right of religious expression by jurors. <BR/>December 14, 2004: ACLU joins Pennsylvania parents in filing first-ever challenge to “Intelligent Design” instruction in public schools. <BR/>November 20, 2004: ACLU of Nevada supports free speech rights of evangelists to preach on the sidewalks of the strip in Las Vegas. <BR/>November 12, 2004: ACLU of Georgia files a lawsuit on behalf of parents challenging evolution disclaimers in science textbooks. <BR/>November 9, 2004: ACLU of Nevada defends a Mormon student who was suspended after wearing a T-shirt with a religious message to school. <BR/>August 11, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska defends church facing eviction by the city of Lincoln. <BR/>July 10, 2004: Indiana Civil Liberties Union defends the rights of a Baptist minister to preach his message on public streets. <BR/>June 9, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska files a lawsuit on behalf of a Muslim woman barred from a public pool because she refused to wear a swimsuit. <BR/>June 3, 2004: Under pressure from the ACLU of Virginia, officials agree not to prohibit baptisms on public property in Falmouth Waterside Park in Stafford County. <BR/>May 11, 2004: After ACLU of Michigan intervened on behalf of a Christian Valedictorian, a public high school agrees to stop censoring religious yearbook entries. <BR/>March 25, 2004: ACLU of Washington defends an Evangelical minister's right to preach on sidewalks. <BR/>February 21, 2003: ACLU of Massachusetts defends students punished for distributing candy canes with religious messages. <BR/>October 28, 2002: ACLU of Pennsylvania files discrimination lawsuit over denial of zoning permit for African American Baptist church. <BR/>July 11, 2002: ACLU supports right of Iowa students to distribute Christian literature at school. <BR/>April 17, 2002: In a victory for the Rev. Jerry Falwell and the ACLU of Virginia, a federal judge strikes down a provision of the Virginia Constitution that bans religious organizations from incorporating. <BR/>January 18, 2002: ACLU defends Christian church's right to run “anti-Santa” ads in Boston subways.<BR/>"The ACLU will continue working to ensure that religious liberty is protected by keeping the government out of the religion business."<BR/><BR/>Wouldn't you agree that the government should not be in the religion business?<BR/><BR/>Do you feel that the government should not have "Christian" and "Non-Christian" prisons (like what is currently happening in Florida)?<BR/><BR/>Do you feel that blasphemy, adultery, or idolatry should NOT be criminalized? <BR/><BR/>If so, you can join the ACLU by clicking here:<BR/><BR/>http://www.aclu.org/Contribute/Contribute.cfm?color=3Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com