tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post7206066058066978870..comments2024-03-13T21:26:03.011-07:00Comments on Right on the Left Coast: Views From a Conservative Teacher: Culturally-Responsive CurriculumDarrenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15730642770935985796noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-84045297969212979842008-12-05T09:52:00.000-08:002008-12-05T09:52:00.000-08:00George wrote:Allen - without evidence you can't pu...George wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>Allen - without evidence you can't put the good doctor inline with those who force kids to come to school. She made not mention of that in her presentation.</I><BR/><BR/>She doesn't have to mention it. Ignoring the fact of mandatory attendance undercuts any ideas about student engagement since the very first decision - whether it's worth going to school or not - has been taken out of the kids' hands. <BR/><BR/>That's probably not much of a problem with really young kids but once they start getting a little older and aware of themselves and the world the message embedded within the concept of mandatory attendance is unmistakable - we don't care what you want, you'll do as you're told. Care to guess how that's likely to make those kids feel? <BR/><BR/>I think, to paraphrase the good doctor that mandatory attendance devalues youngsters makes them feel that who they are doesn't count and then turns them off from education.<BR/><BR/>You're not going to off-set the harsh effects of what amounts to physical coercion with nonsense like Ebonics even if you tart it up by calling it culturally responsive education.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-18308828656404485722008-12-04T19:56:00.000-08:002008-12-04T19:56:00.000-08:00I would argue that the same lack of adequate Engli...I would argue that the same lack of adequate English comprehension and speech that holds back ESL and ELL students holds back African American students who are more intent in sounding like their favorite rapper than in producing a coherent sentence. Who will hire a sales clerk, assistant or associate who cannot carry on a civil, informative and producting conversation with potential clients? So people can have their elite ethnic standards all they want, it still won't get their kids a job when he or she is out of school.Ellen Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02845981491726296767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-28416325139983093822008-12-04T15:41:00.000-08:002008-12-04T15:41:00.000-08:00Ellen,Yes. That is part of it. The other parts a...Ellen,<BR/><BR/>Yes. That is part of it. The other parts are factors that are out of the locus of control of a classroom teacher.<BR/><BR/>Dr. Lemoine has argued that African-American speech patterns amount to a dialect of english. The goal of educators is to teach academic english, while respecting African-American english as a distinct form of english. <BR/><BR/>Allen - without evidence you can't put the good doctor inline with those who force kids to come to school. She made not mention of that in her presentation.<BR/><BR/>GeorgeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-49687963198410159572008-12-03T17:47:00.000-08:002008-12-03T17:47:00.000-08:00So is it their academic heritage or the lack of va...So is it their academic heritage or the lack of valuing their ethnocentric behavior that causes African American boys to fall into some of the lowest testing demographics?Ellen Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02845981491726296767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-66726951254226542352008-12-03T13:53:00.000-08:002008-12-03T13:53:00.000-08:00"better understand their academic heritage"WTF is ..."better understand their academic heritage"<BR/><BR/>WTF is that supposed to mean?bondchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08247172243372923899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-40063134422037426482008-12-03T11:08:00.000-08:002008-12-03T11:08:00.000-08:00Because when you begin to devalue youngsters, and ...<I>Because when you begin to devalue youngsters, and make them feel that who they are doesn't count, then we've turned them off from education.</I><BR/><BR/>I wonder how the good doctor feels mandatory attendance makes "youngsters" feel? In general arm-twisting isn't what's done to display the esteem in which the twistee is held. Well, I suppose if you're making a comfortable living purveying edu-crap then whose the smart one? On the evidence, not me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10348701.post-41816170618266359852008-12-02T22:28:00.000-08:002008-12-02T22:28:00.000-08:00As for the teaching ebonics piece, I think Dr. Lem...As for the teaching ebonics piece, I think Dr. Lemoine says it best (From PBS documentary):<BR/><BR/>NOMA LEMOINE:<BR/><BR/>I think perhaps the biggest misunderstanding is the idea that we are somehow teaching African American language --- teaching Ebonics if you will --- We don't need to teach African American language <BR/><BR/>ROBERT:<BR/><BR/>They don't need to teach it cause they come speaking <BR/><BR/>NOMA LEMOINE:<BR/><BR/>They already know it. <BR/><BR/><BR/>NOMA LEMOINE:<BR/><BR/>Because when you begin to devalue youngsters, and make them feel that who they are doesn't count, then we've turned them off from education. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Clearly, culturally responsive education is appropriate for the Social Sciences. The proof comes from its use in the classroom. I'll let you know if my African-American students scored higher this year because I included African-Americans whenever I could in my World History curriculum (which is a Eurocentric class). <BR/><BR/>Now, as for teaching Economics or Mathematics I don't see how making it more African-American centric is going to help; the quadratic equation is the quadratic equation is the quadratic equation. Mathematics is its own language.<BR/><BR/>GeorgeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com